"I guarantee a million per cent.."

"I guarantee a million per cent.."

Can you do that??

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The Value of a Tourist

The Value of a Tourist?

Interesting thread at the Bangkok Post Forum. I just hope we get to see some interesting comments.

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Boring Bangkok...

Govt drops PAD civil charges

Nobody actually thought they would have to pay any consequences for their actions did you?

Europe open to Thai trade talks

Wow! Are they serious? I hope that they include reciprocal visa and immigration rules in these talks. As well as reciprocal ownership laws. If foreigners can't by land in Thailand Thais should not be able to buy land in foreign countries. Fair, no?

We have been resting up since my birthday so I have no more dirt for you right now but I'll be back out this weekend! To get something juice to write on Dirty Sexy Bangkok.

CYA!

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Dirty Bangkok is getting to the old man.

I'm still a bit worn out after my birthday party. Actually I feel like a pile of shit that someone stepped in.

Looks like Thailand is stepping up it's efforts to get the tourists back. Maybe the key is not to cooperate with Malaysia and Indonesia about marketing but to improve the situation for foreigners who want to live, work or retire in the kingdom?

Growth Triangle tourism cooperation

As long as Thailand keeps treating visitors like valets and not like people the number of tourists going to Malaysia and Indonesia will keep increasing on Thailand's expense. People trying to work, retire or buy a second home in Thailand will off course tell their friends back home about the hassle and they will more likely choose to go to one of the neighboring countries with more foreigner friendly legislation. I don't understand how this can be so hard to understand??

This article in the Bangkok Post was a bit amusing. Especially after the discussion on the Farang speaks to much blog last week.

GAME THEORY; GAY REALITY

That will have to be it for today.

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Decadent Bangkok birthday party!

So I am finally back in front of the laptop again. Last night was my birthday and we celebrated it hard by getting down and dirty at Narcissus here in Bangkok. Me and my girlfriend got to Narz a little after midnight and there weren't too many people there but we got our bottle and started chatting with some of the staff that we know. Our friends started dropping in around 1 am and we ordered another bottle and turned the heat up making sure we took our vitamins. Narz was filling up and there were a lot more Farangs than usual. I guess the word is getting around that Narz is now open until early morning. My girlfriend got up to dance on the bar and soon had both guys and girls hitting on her. She is sexy as hell when she dances! ;-P I was receiving offers for group sessions from a few people but didn't take anyone up on it. A lot of dancing and a few new friends. A little after 5 am we decided to call it a night and got in a taxi to the night open pharmacy in Patpong. We wanted to get our hands on some sleeping pills but the sleepy bitch working there gave us anti depressants instead but we didn't notice until we took them. I'm no expert but when I was still awake after an hour I checked them out on the Internet and apparently they are close to Prozac, great. I've gotten maybe 3 hours of sleep and we have decided to stay in tonight. A shame really since I would have liked to go to Twisted the last night. But then again closing night is not highly rated in my book anymore after new years eve.

A solid 8 on the decadence scale. A group session would have bumped it up a little but my Thai girl is not into it.

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Another Dirty night out in Bangkok.

A friends girlfriend came up to Bangkok yesterday morning to do some business and to make a police report about some guy who took her money but never delivered the goods she bought from him last time she was in Bangkok. Apparently she had to come all the way to Bangkok from Ko Tao to see the police here because she payed by a bank transfer from a bank here. The police in Ko Tao wouldn't help her but she is Thai so she thinks this is normal.

Anyways, last time she was here we didn't get a chance to go out with her so we thought we'd remedy that now. After arguing with my girlfriend for an hour about where to go on a Wednesday night we ended up at Bed Supperclub, her choice. It was a lot of people, as usual, but I really don't like that place. Most people who go there would drown if they went outside in the rainy season because they have their noses so far up in the air they would fill up with water. But as we were late getting out, after midnight, we didn't have much choice. RCA is a bit to far from where I live to just pop over for a quickie and Thong Lor / Ekkamai was soon closing. And they did have alcohol in Bed also. After a good first tip to the very cute bartender the strength of our drinks vastly increased. I don't understand cheap tippers, but I guess they get what they pay for. Finally it was after 2 am and I could convince the girls to go to Narcissus. :-) There is still not many people there on the week nights but it's getting better. Last night I made friends with some apparently very "big" and "bad" Thais that had seen me there partying many times and had seen that I was friendly with the staff. One of the girls who knows them, and us, draged me over to them so they could say hello. She was repeating over and over that I was a great guy and a "good" Farang, whatever that means. A quick thought in the back of my mind made me double check my money though. They seem like a nice bunch as long as you are on their friendly side and you never know when "bad" acquaintances can come in handy. Just after 4 am our friend wanted to go home and offered to take a taxi back to our place on her own. My girlfriend, who at that time was very drunk, wouldn't have it but said that we should all go together. I was just getting loved up and enjoying myself but I didn't fight about it. Surprisingly enough I could actually fall asleep without any help and slept for a good 7 hours.

Night graded at a 5 on the decadence scale. Will have to do better tomorrow since it's my birthday.

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Thieving bar girls continued.

I got a reply to my comment on the Farang speaks 2 much blog. I will publish it here in it's entirety as well as my response.

"“And wosch! Here comes the Farang in shining armor to rescue the girl from her awful job and come live with him. On one condition though… Give up your high income and start working for 7 000 bath a month plus the change I will throw you every month. See how you can keep sending generous amounts of money back to mommy with that.”

Was this the formula you used to pull your girl out? Seriously, I have to say your examples and comments are so conflicting and convoluted I can’t make sense out of what you’re tryin to say. In the end it seems you’re sayin that since she came out of the bar industry you should expect here to steal if, except if you treat her well… but then again she might steal anyway if she left her old job and you didn’t make it worth her time financially to leave (WTF?)…and even if she does steal, keep her because it’s probably your fault to begin with.

“Off course it’s a job that most of the girls don’t enjoy very much but selling sex is not the same for them as it is for us.” (pmmp & smitty, can you start the TFS2M Blog Awards to be held at the Mango on the anniversary of the Blog? I’d like to nominate the previous phrase for the TFS2M Understatement of the Year.) “Here it is not coupled with the same stigma as in the west which means that for many of these girls it’s ok to do it.”

Really? Most of the girls don’t enjoy very much? Does that mean most girls enjoy it some? I guess most the girls I talk to aren’t the 100k-200k baht girls, because almost all of them dislike to outright despise selling the box. And here’s something, if it’s not coupled with the same stigma in Thailand as other parts of the world as you suggest, then why do so many of these girls fail to disclose to their Thai boyfriends that they’re stuffing the box with Grade A Sausages (farang & Thai) and also seem to fail to tell their parents what they really do? Yea, I know some who do tell their family, but I see and hear hookers in the USA do that as well (hear of Howard Stern? He’s practically made a career of it Seems the working girls have no problem talking about their work or the money on his show). So what make this profession so unique in Thai society again; was it the being more accepted part or was it the people doing things they don’t like to do because they’re dirt poor and have no other option part?

Getting back to the stealing issue….

To say that theft is OK in certain circumstances is laughable.

To say “what do you expect when …” is also laughable.

Here’s a little anecdote germane to the topic:

Both my parents worked, so my mom would hire housekeepers to help tidy up the place. The women who were hired were not from a cleaning company but were in most cases poor woman from non-profit placement organizations who could provide cleaning, baby-sitting and other domestic services. In other cases the women were working as house cleaners for friends of my mother. Guess what, things would occasionally disappear! I would guess that over the 10 or so years that maybe 5 or 6 of those women were canned because things were disappearing. Were these women making so much money before that took a less paying job to make some cash? What do you think? The really interesting thing is the women who were referred to my mother by her friends were the worst offenders and I can remember one instance where my mother brought this up with her friend that it was an eye opener because after connecting the dots said friend realized where the items from her household were probably going (previously she thought it was one of her teenage kids drug addicted friends stealing the stuff).

Would any of you, having found a housekeeper who did everything perfect and everything you wanted, keep her after she stole from you one time? How about twice? Three times?

Years ago, I remember a certain school of thought being pushed in some colleges which can best be exemplified by this example which was actually used in the classroom, “If a woman was stealing food so that her homeless and starving family was able to eat”, was the act a) right or wrong and b) justified? It surprised me when I found I was in the minority to say it was absolutely wrong whether it was justified or not (and it was most certainly justified in the mind of the mother committing the act). The common theme was people said, “It’s OK to steal in this situation because….” Maybe this is why we have these depraved acts of theft by the Bernard Madoff’s and other obnoxiously and not so obnoxiously wealthy men and women? There’s too much justifying an act due to the circumstances: Bullshit. Wrong is wrong. The severity of the wrong should dictate the punishment, in any situation. It doesn’t make one act less wrong than another. I know this isn’t sitting well with the readers who are in the “there are different shade of gray majority. I guess if your domain of morality is a spectrum of grays then it’s a whole lot easier to say an issue isn’t black and white. In that school, I guess it’s also easier to justify the actions of your girlfriend stealing from you and keep her.

Do you get my point here? Doesn’t matter the industry someone works in nor does it matter the need or socio-economic strata. If someone has justified it in their mind to steal then they will steal: how much it may hurt someone they know or supposed care about be damned.

That’s not me. This is Thailand and there are many, many attractive girls out there. This trust has been broken. I would find a 5K baht/month apartment, paid 3 months in advance, had her personal items moved, changed my locks and had her dropped her at her new pad.

But that’s me. The can see black and white, cold hearted farang who always negotiates and has never had anything stolen."
Bubba


Hey Bubba!

I understand that you think most of what I write is BS and that’s ok. I guess I’m more of a different shades of gray guy than a black and white guy. I would say that it is ok for a poor mother to steal food to feed her her starving family. Not if she was steeling from someone who was equally poor but if it was from someone who had plenty, then yes. Even if it was from me, if I had plenty.. ;-P I think this is called empathy? Maybe I’m also a bigger fan of Robbin Hood than you are?

I think most legal systems in the world take the reasons for an action into account when passing sentence on a crime (killing in self defense would be the extreme, is killing right or wrong?) so I would say that most of society is more gray than black and white. It can’t be easy to be black and white, especially not in a very gray society like Thailand.

The wosch bit was supposed to be irony but maybe that was lost? I was trying to put a finger on the strange attitude of many Farangs that the ex bar girl girlfriend should be grateful to get the opportunity to live of the scraps from the Farangs table. I’m saying that if you don’t show love, trust and loyalty how can you expect to get it back? You heard about self fulfilling prophecies? I’m also saying that if you don’t understand the basic need of the girlfriend, eg taking care of the family back home, you will get into trouble eventually because to most Thai girls the family is the first priority and they will do anything for them, even steal and f..k for money.

I’m not saying it’s ok to steal, I was addressing the general attitude of many Farangs, and maybe I strayed from the subject a little. I was just so taken by the willingness of people on high horses to pass immediate judgment without asking for the reason behind the action or to consider the Thai culture. It’s not uncommon here to go behind someones back as to not bother them with problems. For a Farang this is not ok but it will take some time to recondition someone who has grown up in another culture, Farang or Thai.

For me it is hard to give any advice about the “theft” without knowing more about the reasons for taking the money. Does she have a gambling or drug problem? Did she get into bad debt for helping her parents, maybe she borrowed money from someone else because she didn’t want to worry the boyfriend and now she couldn’t pay back? Or maybe she is just a bad apple? If you had a Farang girlfriend, since two years, who stole some money from the household account because she had a gambling or drug problem would you then drop her like a piece of garbage or try to get her help?

And seriously… I can’t really see how you can talk about Bernard Madoff in this context?? But maybe that’s the gray in me that acknowledges the difference in motive?

I’m so fed up with all Farangs who come here trying to impose our different morals as the only right way. This is right, that is wrong and you all should do like we do back home in the US or in Europe. We are the ones who are guests in a different country, adjust or leave. We westerners seem to be pissed off about all immigrants that refuse to assimilate when moving to our countries yet many of us don’t see that maybe we also need to change our attitudes when entering another society and culture.

About the money it’s my view that if you ask someone to give up a high income (I would guess that most girls that are considered girl friend material for a Farang make at lest 50 000+ bath a month) and the possibility to support the family back home you have to look at what you are bringing to the table. This is not different from a Farang Farang relationship and in the west it is not uncommon to compensate age and poor looks with money and status. These girls consider it ok to f..k for money or they would already be working in 7 eleven so taking that bit out of the equation might not amount to such a high value as many Farangs seems to think. The I hate my job line is often true but sometimes also exaggerated to gain the pity of the Farang and make him more willing to open his wallet wider.

And just because the girls don’t tell their parents outright what they do for a living it doesn’t mean that the parents, and most everybody else, don’t know where the money is coming from. I find it hard to believe that the people in Isaan think that all the girls coming back from Bangkok, Phuket and Pattaya with Farang husbands met their men in the grocery store, do you? Or that they can believe that their little girl, who only finished 6th grade in school, can get a job that pays well enough for her to send 5-10 000 bath home every month. Everyone knows what the girls are doing in Pattaya but as long as the money finds it’s way home no one talks about it. One reason they don’t tell is that it is important in Thailand to have the opportunity of plausible denial but I guess you know this already. If you don’t talk about something it doesn’t exist.

We apparently disagree and that’s fine I just wanted to clarify my points and say thank you for the nomination.

CYA!

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Supporting your ex bar girl girlfriend?

I copied this from a post on the "The FARANG speks 2 much" blog. One of my favorite Blogs!

"If the girl wants some spending money, then guess what, she should get a F***ing job and work like the rest of us. It is this attitude of giving girls money for nothing that is spreading like a disease. While I do believe that we should take care of them in many instances (Lodging, Food, basic necessities etc.), that is it. The chances are that the money you have was not just handed to you, and you probably worked very hard for it. The idea that a woman should get paid for sitting on your couch watching Thai soap operas between multiple cat naps is insulting, and should not be accepted by anyone. Now of course, if there are kids involved, that can be a full-time job so that of course would be an exception, but otherwise, tell them to get off their keekiat ass and get to work, at a normal basic job. Even if its just 7K a month at 7-11, its better than nothing."

The thing is that usually when guys hook up with a “working” girl she already has a job. And one that pays very well. My girlfriend was making 100-200 000 Bath a month before she met me plus the 50 000 she was getting every month from some poor schmuck in Europe. And yes, I know this for a fact because I know what her friends rake home every month working in the luxury hotels. Not all girls make this kind of money though. Off course it’s a job that most of the girls don’t enjoy very much but selling sex is not the same for them as it is for us. Here it is not coupled with the same stigma as in the west which means that for many of these girls it’s ok to do it. They don’t consider themselves in need of rescue even though most of them would rather settle down with someone who can support them. A dream they share with most Thai girls, educated “good” girls and uneducated “bad” girls. Just look at all the soap operas they feed themselves with in this country. Most Thai girls want to be a “house” wife. It’s also not uncommon in this country that the man works and then hands over his salary check to his wife at the end of the month to let her take care of the financials, after all she does most of the shopping.

And wosch! Here comes the Farang in shining armor to rescue the girl from her awful job and come live with him. On one condition though… Give up your high income and start working for 7 000 bath a month plus the change I will throw you every month. See how you can keep sending generous amounts of money back to mommy with that.

How many Farang guys would quit their job and take one that pays maybe one tenth of what they were previously making for a girl? Some might do it but I’ll bet you that these ones already have a big chunk of cash in the bank and are no longer motivated by money. These girls don’t and are therefore highly motivated by money! If you’ve never been poor it’s hard to understand. They are also motivated by the fact that they consider it their duty to take care of their equally poor family financially, if they don’t it’s a huge loss of face and that was the reason they left for Bangkok in the first place.

They are expected to give this up for a Farang that may or may not be here in the next few months. What would you do if you were in her shoes?

If you want your girl to stop working it’s only fair to compensate here for her loss of income. Wouldn’t you expect to be compensated? If you are not willing to do that don’t complain when she goes with customers. And no, giving your love is not compensation enough, it doesn’t bring food to mommys table. I’m not saying that you should compensate her up to the amount that she was making before she met you but this is something you will have to work out with the girl. If she loves you she will accept a huge loss in income as long as she feels she can still take care of the family, if she doesn’t, tough luck, your love is not shared move on.

All relationships are give and take. How many Farang Farang relationships have ended because one party was not ready to give up the career to relocate, didn’t want to live far from the family etc. If what you get is not at par with what you give or have to give up it will not work it’s as simple as that.

Good luck to all you guys who give it a shot!

CYA!

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Narz was a dissapointment tonight...

Just got back home after a party night out in Bangkok. Unfortunately Narcissus had to close at 3.30 because the men in brown showed up. It's the first time it has happened since I started going there but I guess here in Thailand you never know. The management promised that tomorrow things will be back to normal and they will be open until 6 am again. I guess someone got greedy since things are starting to pick up there. I also got thrown of my beat a little when I ended up in the middle of a fight between two Thai guys. Apparently one of them was a big-shot so the other guy disappeared quickly. No bruses or scars to show though...

We went on to tunnel and it was rocking! A lot of people and good music. Off course when we got there I would have been happy anywhere with all the love I was feeling. ;-P

CYA! Bed time, have to recharge for tonight.

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Stealing Thai girl

I ran across this post on the Internet today:

“Okay, changing the topic to something a little darker, I met a nice guy and fellow blogger the other night in the bar and as often happens I heard an interesting tale, or rather, dilemma faced by the love struck Punter. I asked him if it was okay to share with the elite tfs2m readership for their thoughts and he was game. I mean, it’s free advice so I’m sure there will be no regrets.
Here’s the deal, he’s been dating this girl for about two years, yes, an ex-bargirl. Let’s call her CNN (he told us she likes to watch news over thai soap operas which he concerned him). Our Punter friend we will call nowwhat? is a middle-aged semi-retired decent kind of guy. I actually don’t know him that well but he reads this blog so he should be okay, right?
nowwhat? was checking his bank balances recently and noticed a mysterious withdrawal of 10,000 baht. The bank confirmed that it was made with his card on the specified date. Later that day CNN came clean and admitted in tears that she needed the money desperately to pay some debt. She took his card and knew his PIN from looking over his shoulder when he withdrew money.
nowwhat? was and still is devastated and to make matters worse, he’s really in love with her. According to him she’s been an absolute dream the past two years. He’s happier than Michael Phelps watching a Cheech and Chong film and couldn’t stop singing her praises, and I could tell he genuinely does love her even though he was a few Pints in. Perplexed and desperate he spilled this out on me and two friends at the bar and we were happy to offer our slightly inebriated services. We genuinely did want to help the guy which is part of the reason I am mentioning it here.
There were mixed suggestions from the group session at the bar so I wanted to see if other’s could help nowwhat? out here.”


I will add some of the comments here also:

"The one thing nowwhat? cannot do is allow his emotions to cloud his judgment. He needs to step back from the situation to rationally look at what has happened and what the implications are. Then, he will see clearly that this relationship isn’t going to last. It is best to dump it on his terms now instead of waiting for further complications." Cruizn

"A guy who throws his dog to the pound over one pile of dookie, has no business owning a dog." MrLucky (Right said! Bangkok John.)

"Tough situation nowwhat finds himself in..it’s a slippery slope. The question is..why didnt she just tell him the truth about her debts and ask for his help? If she is willing to conceal this kind of stuff, she is willing to conceal more..and one would need to ask..”Is she really trustworthy?”

Seems to me that old habits are hard to break..and an ex-bargirls ability to trust and be honest are not exactly well documented.

I dont think a serious relationship with any bargirl (x or not) is ever possible…" Indu WangZi

"@Nowwhat- The fact that she, at one time, looked over his shoulder while he was at the ATM and remembered his pin code shows that her deeds were precalculated, and not just an instantaneous mistake based on a knee-jerk reaction, or desperate need of the money. I would set her up, and see if she takes the bait." I Phukit

"A couple of years into our relationship my (now) wife took a small gold statue of mine to the gold store and cashed it. I caught her in the act and she was pretty distraught - ended up her parents really needed some cash (legitimately) and she was really afraid that I would say no if she asked me. She is real miserly in giving cash to the family and helps me to save money in day to day transactions, so I didn’t sweat the act. Actually, what it did do was make me ask why she felt that I wouldn’t help for something which is important for her.

Now, nine years later still going strong and she actually helps save money out of the allowance I give her." Naki


My response:

Wow!

Some of you guys are really cynical. Like you all have clean consciouses, whore mongers as you are! ;-P Go home and tell your mom about your experiences and see what relationship advice she will give to any future potential girlfriend. Stay the fuck away from my son!!! For your own sake... Self righteous pricks!

She looked over his shoulder and that proves it was premeditated?? Really? I've got a good memory and I probably know the ATM codes of 4 or 5 of my friends, and my Thai girlfriends. Doesn't mean I'm planning to rip them off.

He has been with her for two years and this is her first slip up and a lot of you guys wants him to axe her without hesitation. I'm pretty sure some of you guys treat these girls anyway but nice and that if a girl cheats you back it would be well deserved. Why do you think so many bar girls hate Farangs? Because we are so honest to them and treat them so nice?? Most of these girls start in the business hoping to marry with a nice and rich Farang but after being fucked (in all ways) by a few they start fucking back. Who wouldn't? I do believe that most of them want out of the “game” and that if the right option comes along, and can win their long lost trust back, it can work. It will not be easy, like living with an addict trying to give up the drug of choice, but if you love someone and you believe they really want to change some people will give it a shot. It will not always end well but sometimes it does.

I've been a shit for a good part of my life and I know that people change, from first hand experience, which is why I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt. 10 years ago my mom was handing out the before mentioned relationship advice to anyone who wanted to listen...

Fact is anyone can slip up, and does. If this was a Farang girl what would you do? Or maybe some of you think that would never happen with an honest Farang girl?? They are not all perfect you know, Anna Nicole Smith anyone?

OK, my advice:

Ask her what the money was for and why she didn't feel comfortable asking him for it. If the answer is satisfactory, let it slide but tell her that it's unacceptable to do like this and that if it happens again she is out the door. The Thais don't see things the same way as Farangs and sometimes what is unacceptable to us is totally normal, and no big deal, to them. It's a learning experience to have a Thai girlfriend, for both parties, and you have to be able to adjust just as you expect your girlfriend to do. If not, get a fat feminist Farang (FFF) girlfriend who will make your life a lot more miserable than most Thai girls will, bar girl or not.

I have a friend who had a similar experience with a Thai girlfriend. This girl is from a nice family, her dad is a judge and she works as a lawyer, and she would not go to any of the places where the “game” is played even under gun point. One time he caught her sending money to her, not so well off, aunt from their shared bank account, without telling him about it. When confronted it turned out that the aunt was sick and had been a long time (confirmed later in person). She didn't want to tell my friend because he works so hard and she didn't want him to have to worry about this. And this is a Thai girl with a good international education who has also studied in the USA. It is just the way they think, learn and accept or don't have a Thai girlfriend.

DON'T change the code on the ATM! It will only show her that he don't trust her anymore no matter if he says he forgives her or not. This will be very bad! Better to get a second bank account and keep most of the money there if he is worried it might happen again. That's the way you should do it anyway, you should never keep more than spending money on your ATM account or you are asking to get skimmed.

Good Luck!

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Thai girls

There are a lot of self proclaimed experts on Farang Thai relationships out there. I don't claim to be one of them but I have for the last 8 months been living with a former working girl. The Thai girls are different from Farang girls in a lot of ways, both good and bad. Add to that the different customs in Thailand that we Farang are not used to or have gotten rid of a long time ago, eg dowry, and you have a potentially lethal cocktail. I will share some of my experiences with you about Thai girls.

If you have a choice don't start a relationship with a Thai bar girl!! If I wasn't already in love with my girl I would not do it again, get out before you get stuck! OK, my relationship is not bad, not bad at all, but I do consider myself to be very lucky. I see how my girlfriends friends manipulate and lie to their “boyfriends” all the time. It seems my girl is an exception to the rule, I know that I'm not alone to think lite this but she has proven her loyalty over and over again. She is also not in it for the money because she knows there is not much of that to be had. OK, OK, if you want to call me blind and naive you are welcome. There are good girls among the bar girls and freelancers (my girlfriend was a freelancer) out there, they are just hard to find. And when you do find one you have to understand that she has to keep her options open, at least until she knows that you are serious with her, the girls hear stories about how the Farang promises but never deliver also so it's not only the men who are suspicious of the girls. You have to remember it's a bout survival for these girls. They usually don't have much to fall back on and they want to find that one right guy who can take care of them so the don't have to keep working like they do. They don't have time to waist with someone who only promises but never deliver. There will be a lot of talking with other guys on the phone and a lot of sneaking and texting, at least in the beginning. If this is not for you, get out before it starts!

So whats the best way to handle these girls if you don't want a relationship? If it is someone you only want to see once or a few times tell her that you have a girlfriend or is already married. If you don't and she thinks you are a reasonably nice guy she will start to make plans to get into your wallet long time. If you do tell her that you have someone else you will still get the goods, it is business after all and here in Thailand it is not uncommon for men to have a few mistresses and to go with other girls behind their wifes back. It is in many cases acceptable. Not so if your girl comes from the more educated classes!!

Will continue this post later, time to get food.

CYA!

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Narz opens Zealot

Tomorrow, Friday Feb 20, Narz opens it's Hip Hop section, Zealot, for all those who don't like dance music. I guess they would argue that Hip Hop is dance music but each to his own, right? ;-) They have great prices and a free bar from 8-9.30. Maybe this will be the kick off the place needs to make it to the top of the Bangkok night scene.

Oh!

And the prices are pretty good for those who cares about that, Red Lable + 5 mixers 1000 bath, the same goes for Vodka. Unfortunately the don't have a good selection of Vodka yet but maybe that will change if more people ask for the nicer brands? Give me my Gray Goose!!

See you there tomorrow night, or actually I will be where the real dance music is. ;-P

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Hot or not?

I'm having a hard time understanding what makes a nightclub hot or not. In my honest opinion Narcissus is the best place in Bangkok at the moment. OK, if you don't like dance music (techno) you will not enjoy it. That I can understand and that eliminates a bunch of people as potential customers. But there is a lot of people here in the city who would love this place if they just gave it a chance. The interior would be cool in any major city in the world, the music is the best dance music in Bkk, the staff are friendly and there is no cover fee. Maybe this is the problem?

When people exit the places that close at 2 am (now most are pushing it to 3 am) there are scores of taxi drivers waiting to take you to Spicy or some of the other places, Spicy seems to be the most popular among the drivers though. This is because they get a god commission for every person they bring to these places, something to remember when you negotiate your fare. I mostly never pay to go to these places and if I do I always insist on using the meeter. If you don't charge a cover fee it's hard to pay commission for anyone bringing business.

This selling of Spicy by the drivers might be one of the reasons why Narcissus hasn't taken off yet. Don't get me wrong there is still a good turn up on the weekends but I was there yesterday night and there were not many people there. We ended up going to Scratch Dog, around 4.30, which had a bigger crowd. I don't like it as much though.

What I don't understand is why people insist on going go places like Bed Supperclub on the weekends when it's so packed that it takes half an hour to get to the bathrooms?? I like Bed, just not on the weekends. Or why people hang out in Tunnel or Spicey when they have the option of going to Narcissus which is totaly in another league. Try it and let me know what you think.

Now don't go and think I write this for the owners sake! I don't know them and I don't have any financial interests in the place but I like it and I want it to be a success so I can keep going there instead of hanging out in the dirty and shady places like Spicey, Tunnel or Boss. They are fine as long as there is no better option but now there is!

For you who don't know where it is I have a link at the bottom of the page. You go in on Soi 23 from Sukhumvit, pass Soi Cowboy, and take the first soi to the right, almost where it ends in a T-junction you'll find it on your right.

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Lucky VII, Bangkok, temporarily closed

Just got a call from one of the security guys working in Lucky VII and it appears the police were there checking the fire escapes. Not approved! Lucky VII is closed at the moment and will open again when all the pockets have been lined and the minor deficiencies have been corrected. From what I understood there weren't any major problems. He said maybe a week, maybe longer.

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Swinging in Bangkok doesn't swing

Just saw on the news that the police busted a swingers party before the fun even got started. I guess thats better than getting caught with your pants down. At first I didn't understand why the police took any interest but then I heard that the guy who was arranging this gathering apparently was doing this professionally and was charging 3000 bath per head. Since there were 30 people there that adds up to quite a lucrative business considering he was holding one party every weekend. Even after he pays for hotel suite, food, drinks and a few condoms there should be around 30-40 000 bath left right? Anyways, arranging these sort of parties for monetary gain is illegal in Thailand, better just to meet up and party without any exchange of money.

Can't help but think that the police were probably most sore for not being invited, party poopers!

CYA!

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